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Lesley was recently joined by ground-breaking businesswoman Kady Cravens to discuss the cannabis industry, erase some of the confusion that has fed controversy and speak to the importance of it as a support tool in traditional medicine.


We are excited to invite you to tun into the first Crossover Podcast Event between Janine Hamner-Holman of The Cost of Not Paying Attention Podcast and Lesley Michaels of Women We Should Know Podcast. As friends, colleagues and frequent collaborators Lesley and Janine come together to discuss some of the issues they see holding women back and the ways they are passionate about contributing to new paths for resolution. Tune in to their exploration of how the time has come for women to consider forming strategic alliances for their collective benefit and upliftment. This has the potential to create a power stage that can dispel the false idea that there is not enough space. Janine and Lesley dive into the ways in which many professional roles and entire industries are being forced to shift from a former transactional approach, which is naturally male, to become more relational, which is inherent to women. With women’s naturally higher empathy quotient these pivots and reinventions within the business world makes them a natural fit for newly forming roles. From how and where to give new focus of attention to ways to develop alliances that serve, this is an episode overflowing with insight, straight talk and lots of laughter.

About Janine

Janine Hamner Holman is an internationally recognized speaker, author, and expert on conscious leadership, DE&I, organizational development, neurobiology, and what it takes to attract and retain world-class talent. As CEO of the J&J Consulting Group, she brings more than 30 years’ experience to her work with purpose driven CEOs and organizational leaders to help them create courageous, high-performance organizations. She is also the co-founder of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion & Belonging Professional Association (DEIBPA) – currently in formation. Janine is as a contributing author to On the Shoulders of Mighty Women, which is due out on in late June 2022, and the author of the forthcoming book, Why Are the Soft Skills so Damn Hard…and Many Other Things We Got Wrong. She is the host of the podcast, The Cost of Not Paying Attention.